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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by bweber</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-220</link>
		<author>bweber</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wait! -- better make sure the bullets have a movie tie-in, too. Special edition S&#038;W ammo with Stark Industries labeling? 

Some kind of cross-promotion between Grand Theft Auto, Ruger weapons and Dum-Dum lollipops seems like a natural, though I can't suss out the package designs or what grocery isle they'd go in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait! &#8212; better make sure the bullets have a movie tie-in, too. Special edition S&#038;W ammo with Stark Industries labeling? </p>
<p>Some kind of cross-promotion between Grand Theft Auto, Ruger weapons and Dum-Dum lollipops seems like a natural, though I can&#8217;t suss out the package designs or what grocery isle they&#8217;d go in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-219</link>
		<author>Jeff</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmmmm, reading about all this commercialism and yummy products being placed in these craptacular movies makes me hungry!  I'm going to go find myself something to eat.  Preferably in a .38 caliber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm, reading about all this commercialism and yummy products being placed in these craptacular movies makes me hungry!  I&#8217;m going to go find myself something to eat.  Preferably in a .38 caliber.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kirk vs. Cthulhu? by deg</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/13/kirk-vs-cthulhu/#comment-217</link>
		<author>deg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>BTW, the aliens as they appear at the end of the eps. in their true form, do kinds resemble the Cthulhu in that pic, even if they are a bit smaller, and puppets!

deg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the aliens as they appear at the end of the eps. in their true form, do kinds resemble the Cthulhu in that pic, even if they are a bit smaller, and puppets!</p>
<p>deg</p>
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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by deg</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-216</link>
		<author>deg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-216</guid>
					<description>BTW, Gene Roddenberry was one of the first to start marketing "product" on his show.

He came up with a Vulcan medal called the IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and wanted Nimoy to wear it on the show so fans would buy it up. If I recall, Nimoy refused, and Gene had some other way of getting it on the show, can't recall how or which eps.

However, I do know the Nimoy did end up wearing it in the eps., Is There No Truth In Beauty. Fitting title.

Man, I wish I had onea those IDIC medals...

deg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Gene Roddenberry was one of the first to start marketing &#8220;product&#8221; on his show.</p>
<p>He came up with a Vulcan medal called the IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and wanted Nimoy to wear it on the show so fans would buy it up. If I recall, Nimoy refused, and Gene had some other way of getting it on the show, can&#8217;t recall how or which eps.</p>
<p>However, I do know the Nimoy did end up wearing it in the eps., Is There No Truth In Beauty. Fitting title.</p>
<p>Man, I wish I had onea those IDIC medals&#8230;</p>
<p>deg</p>
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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by deg</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-215</link>
		<author>deg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-215</guid>
					<description>Where can I buy some of that crispy *POP*-ey action-packed Indy ("The dog's name was Indiana.") 18% more goodness? I want a whole three bowls to fu*kin' amp my ass up just before going to the premiere.

BTW, does it come with cake?

deg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I buy some of that crispy *POP*-ey action-packed Indy (&#8221;The dog&#8217;s name was Indiana.&#8221;) 18% more goodness? I want a whole three bowls to fu*kin&#8217; amp my ass up just before going to the premiere.</p>
<p>BTW, does it come with cake?</p>
<p>deg</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kirk vs. Cthulhu? by deg</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/13/kirk-vs-cthulhu/#comment-214</link>
		<author>deg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/13/kirk-vs-cthulhu/#comment-214</guid>
					<description>Closet thing to a Lovecraft-ian theme in the ST universe would have been the episode Catspaw (aired just before (26th) Halloween 1967.

It dealt with an elder race of advanced creatures, posing as necromancers, this imagery tapped from the thoughts of the crew's darkest fears.

Not spot on, but pretty close to your request.

Cake Town: EAT IT!

deg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closet thing to a Lovecraft-ian theme in the ST universe would have been the episode Catspaw (aired just before (26th) Halloween 1967.</p>
<p>It dealt with an elder race of advanced creatures, posing as necromancers, this imagery tapped from the thoughts of the crew&#8217;s darkest fears.</p>
<p>Not spot on, but pretty close to your request.</p>
<p>Cake Town: EAT IT!</p>
<p>deg</p>
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		<title>Comment on THIS IS CAKE TOWN! by deg</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/05/01/this-is-cake-town/#comment-213</link>
		<author>deg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ahahaha, ya baby, that's the STUFF!

Cake Town: EAT IT!

deg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahahaha, ya baby, that&#8217;s the STUFF!</p>
<p>Cake Town: EAT IT!</p>
<p>deg</p>
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		<title>Comment on THIS IS CAKE TOWN! by bweber</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/05/01/this-is-cake-town/#comment-205</link>
		<author>bweber</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>3D artisan &lt;a href="http://www.deg3d.biz/" rel="nofollow"&gt;deg&lt;/a&gt; sez:
&lt;em&gt;
This is delicious!

[The wife] showed CAKE TOWN in class today to illustrate word choice, tone and voice.

The kids loved it!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3D artisan <a href="http://www.deg3d.biz/" rel="nofollow">deg</a> sez:<br />
<em><br />
This is delicious!</p>
<p>[The wife] showed CAKE TOWN in class today to illustrate word choice, tone and voice.</p>
<p>The kids loved it!</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by bweber</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-197</link>
		<author>bweber</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-197</guid>
					<description>&lt;em&gt;"How many bestsellers, great TV shows and Rock Concerts in the last 20 years have just been a vehicle to sell products and personal agendas to the masses?"&lt;/em&gt;

How many? One? Ten? All of them? I don't know and won't even guess. Throwing a question out like that without any examples doesn't support your position. 

But taking your point, why not go even farther? &lt;em&gt;Everything &lt;/em&gt;is a product. 

Think of anything, anything at all, however abstract or outlandish. Then think about how it is somehow being packaged and sold to us every day. War, politicians, education, fear, disease, nature --- even thought as been productized. Anything on the news becomes a product because the news itself is being sold to us. 

Can you come up with any counter-examples, anything that hasn't been the subject of some kind of advertising campaign? I can't, not at the moment. 

The focus of the piece was movies and comics because of their recent cross-pollination and apparent adoption of each other's marketing models. 

Have publisher's been pimping Vonnegut on cereal boxes? Chevy trucks on potato chip bags? Are Rolling Stones concerts sponsored by Geritol? They should be by now. (OK, that was a cheap and easy shot, unworthy of my fine writing skills, but you get my point.)

The only musical act that might have shown up on a cereal box is Hannah Montana, maybe the Wiggles. They don't count, in my opinion, as they are owned by DisneyCorp, who is already in bed with the fast food and breakfast industries, so they're exploiting existing marketing methods. 

As far as entertainment being products companies are trying to sell, no, that hasn't been forgotten. In fact, that is reinforced every time X character is plastered on the front of Y box of cereal -- especially when there is no reason for that to happen other than pure pimpage. 
 
Look, it's not about selling something or making money --- I'm all for making a buck. I'm all for spending a buck, too, but what I'm buying better be worth my money and time. 

What this is about -- what it's always been about -- is what I can only call non-sequitur merchandising and its correlation to a movie's suckiness. To restate: the number and diversity of products tied to a movie before it hits theaters, the worse the movie will be. 

However, this doesn't mean the movie won't make money or otherwise be considered a box office hit (Transformers, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Shrek 3, Happy Feet, Jurassic Park 3).

That's all generally speaking. Having yet to run actual numbers on this leaves this in the realm of hypothesis. 

Thanks for the comments and ongoing discussion. Good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;How many bestsellers, great TV shows and Rock Concerts in the last 20 years have just been a vehicle to sell products and personal agendas to the masses?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>How many? One? Ten? All of them? I don&#8217;t know and won&#8217;t even guess. Throwing a question out like that without any examples doesn&#8217;t support your position. </p>
<p>But taking your point, why not go even farther? <em>Everything </em>is a product. </p>
<p>Think of anything, anything at all, however abstract or outlandish. Then think about how it is somehow being packaged and sold to us every day. War, politicians, education, fear, disease, nature &#8212; even thought as been productized. Anything on the news becomes a product because the news itself is being sold to us. </p>
<p>Can you come up with any counter-examples, anything that hasn&#8217;t been the subject of some kind of advertising campaign? I can&#8217;t, not at the moment. </p>
<p>The focus of the piece was movies and comics because of their recent cross-pollination and apparent adoption of each other&#8217;s marketing models. </p>
<p>Have publisher&#8217;s been pimping Vonnegut on cereal boxes? Chevy trucks on potato chip bags? Are Rolling Stones concerts sponsored by Geritol? They should be by now. (OK, that was a cheap and easy shot, unworthy of my fine writing skills, but you get my point.)</p>
<p>The only musical act that might have shown up on a cereal box is Hannah Montana, maybe the Wiggles. They don&#8217;t count, in my opinion, as they are owned by DisneyCorp, who is already in bed with the fast food and breakfast industries, so they&#8217;re exploiting existing marketing methods. </p>
<p>As far as entertainment being products companies are trying to sell, no, that hasn&#8217;t been forgotten. In fact, that is reinforced every time X character is plastered on the front of Y box of cereal &#8212; especially when there is no reason for that to happen other than pure pimpage. </p>
<p>Look, it&#8217;s not about selling something or making money &#8212; I&#8217;m all for making a buck. I&#8217;m all for spending a buck, too, but what I&#8217;m buying better be worth my money and time. </p>
<p>What this is about &#8212; what it&#8217;s always been about &#8212; is what I can only call non-sequitur merchandising and its correlation to a movie&#8217;s suckiness. To restate: the number and diversity of products tied to a movie before it hits theaters, the worse the movie will be. </p>
<p>However, this doesn&#8217;t mean the movie won&#8217;t make money or otherwise be considered a box office hit (Transformers, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Shrek 3, Happy Feet, Jurassic Park 3).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all generally speaking. Having yet to run actual numbers on this leaves this in the realm of hypothesis. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and ongoing discussion. Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Sell-Outs by Onlythor</title>
		<link>http://www.juniormadscientist.com/2008/04/25/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-sell-outs/#comment-194</link>
		<author>Onlythor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brad, I would say that your focus is to narrow.  The book industry, TV and Live Stage shows have also shoveled out a lot of crap.  How many bestsellers, great TV shows and Rock Concerts in the last 20 years have just been a vehicle to sell products and personal agendas to the masses?  I think what you are forgetting is that all of these items are just products that companies are trying to sell and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I would say that your focus is to narrow.  The book industry, TV and Live Stage shows have also shoveled out a lot of crap.  How many bestsellers, great TV shows and Rock Concerts in the last 20 years have just been a vehicle to sell products and personal agendas to the masses?  I think what you are forgetting is that all of these items are just products that companies are trying to sell and nothing more.</p>
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